Interview with Guo Dongli: Domestic Students Have Democratic Consciousness
(博讯北京时间2014年8月23日 首发 - 支持此文作者/记者)
(Boxun News Politics Report August 16, Beijing) A few weeks ago, during the beginning of July, there is a news about underground domestic student movement in China had circulated and spread on some overseas independent medias, then, several multi-dimensional news institutions, including Boxun News, Beijing Spring(北京之春）, Duowei News, China Independent News have done a report on this matter. Meanwhile, the Voice of America (VOA) correspondent was also in a participant of the interview with Guo Dongli, who the main sponsor of this event, on July 9th. Guo, an ordinary student, had given a telephone recording interviews to VOA. He is living in California currently and received this interview to the reporter at home.
(The following conversation is based on the sort out of the telephone interviews)
VOA Reporter: Hello, are you Guo Dongli?
VOA Reporter: This e-mail and some news websites had reported the student activity occasion in July in the domestic, as well as some reports above had disclosed the names of several high school students, including ZJF, Y LB, LYX, KWS, and THZ five students (names in abbreviations), were decided to take the initiative to declare to quit from the Communist Youth League on the birthday of the CCP on July 1st. I want to find out more matters about this particular case, can we give an interview to you just in some minutes?
Guo: OK, I am willing to do that. This event was held in the last week when we had set up a specific independent student organization called "Youth Solidarity Temporary Student Union". An independent student organization that we established by look forward to able to get rid of the ruling of the official school party. We set up an organization of students of our own spontaneously, because its voices will be more representative to our students and prompt the ideal of democracy.
VOA Reporter: Are you able to disclose the specific location where they are?
Guo: It is in the Southern China.
VOA Reporter: I saw the names of the main members of your organization have boarded in public, are you not afraid the politically accountability and suppress from the official communist party?
Guo: It should not lead to a political persecution. The school officials in this matter has not yet carried out any measures and blocked after all, but I think given the names publicly may not bring any serious consequences to the parties for it. Because our organization is based on the willingness of all our students, our organization is advocate the principles of non-violence, is steadily promote our concept of democracy, science, and human rights. And we did not really declare to overthrow the Communist Party who threatened us; in fact, the peace we want is merely a promotion of our democratic political philosophy. We are not participate in any excesses or socially harmful behaviors. I believe that our organization would not be "illegal". I think this is what a fair law should permit.
VOA Reporter: So you have not went, such as the Bureau of Civil Affairs and other agencies, to register your student organization?
Guo: We already have such plans like this. But I think we should concern on whether our organization should promote to the outside-school community or not; I think this needs to be discussed. Because this spontaneous movement is purely start by students themselves, we have to be careful to be freely expand any democracy activities. And we are still a lack of legal counsel to go through after all the normal procedures of the law process and try to make it legal in law. Based on this, I feel it may not widely recognized community, but we can go to make this organization be legitimacy in the campus first. If we can expand the future, we will consider the application for registration to the local government.
VOA Reporter: I saw your article which said the teacher, Lu Chen, also participated in this event, can you talk about his situation?
Guo: My information to the case of Lu Chen's my understanding was limited, he is only two months of my teacher after all, but I generally can talk about his specific situation. He has consciousness to be out from communism, mainly because he repeatedly expressed his modern Chinese domestic social discontent to me. For example, he can not stand with the phenomenons of current official party' s corruption and profiteering. And his also compassion for human rights and the rights of some domestic events; especially when he stand on the view of a minority, the Zhuang people.
VOA Reporter: Is he comes from Guangxi? Which city?
Guo: Baise in Guangxi, where Deng Xiaoping's grandson would like to say over there being the county magistrate thing. Then he better understanding some of the local circumstances, the local Zhuang people at there have a lot of dissatisfactions. Lu Chen has tended to democracy activities, he repeatedly told me that he is willing to do something for China's democratization. Especially when he is our teacher, the teaches should take the lead, to more effectively inspire their students on campus awareness of the concept of democracy. I think Lu Chen is start a good example ahead.
VOA Reporter: This situation sounds really good. Can you talk more about the extent to promote in campus?
Guo: According to what I understanding, there are many domestic young people have democratic consciousness, and many of our students are also supported. They think the traditional leadership of the party and some contrived political act currently are very disgusting. Communism certainly with no hope and future, commonly there are nobody in China still believed in communism anymore; in coastal areas, most countries of the grass-roots rural areas have been set up their own "self-government committee" in the land rights movement, the so-called "People's cadres" concept has long been cast aside. Campus, too, for example, earlier in this year we have planned some activities to commemorate the "54" and "64" movement in classroom, many students are discuss the Tiananmen democracy protest in 1989 privately.
VOA Reporter: This is indeed an idea, however, how many members that you are currently developing?
Guo: Our specific development by about 30 people or so, we all contacted through social networks. There include Xi'an, Hong Kong, and other places. However, we still contact each other through the network.
VOA Reporter: What is your specific plans in future?
Guo: In the future we will focus on organize grassroots democracy movements in campus, such as student re-election committee. I hope the domestic students can adopt a approach to vote, rather than by fixed situation which those students with the "CYL members" in the title to be long-term control of the student union's instructions. As what I understand, the domestic high school's official parties have a lot of powers, the direct leadership of the party committee, including the "rectification team" and some others that similar as pickets organizes, are like the inspectors or national social securities than on it. The students have the right to denounce arbitrary and abusive someone who in their view has "does not following" behavior, the student cadres were often get cast aside and hatred from those ordinary students, Once there even some student body president and class cadre are entrenched in their leading position in long-term and without conduct public elections. And now the high schools among China are in very strict control, some schools have accommodation arrangements district with police stations and "solider instructors" in quarters, the campus in China are facing the threat of "military control". I think, through our democratic elections, it allowing students to elect the good and honest leader under the freedom of their choices. But new student autonomous federation should set the separation of powers, it will weakening the absolute rights of the highest leaders of the major work to be undertaken. To the various subordinate units, such as literary arts committee should be only in charge in literary arts, and sport committee only have the responsibility of of the sports events.The premise is that it can be one elected for each semester, but not allow to repeat elections as the same candidates. And most importantly, the candidates must be nominated jointly by 50 people, in order to prevent individual person has the intention of black-box operation. They can also regularly held a "seminar", similar to the congressional hearing, students can also boldly challenged the school leadership, as well as have the right to impeach the student council through discussions and debates.
VOA Reporter: Does your mind seems very unique in China?
Guo: Yes, but in fact is not that unique, in some Western countries with good democratic, such as in the United States, where people have the election awareness is very commonplace, but also same as the American School. Usually the formed structures in schools also can reflect the problems in society. We emphasize that our goals are the "innovative thinking" and "independent thinking." I hope the people of the China can also be awakened. Of course, we will be more or less affected by the wave of democracy in 1980s, that is why the overseas democracy movement can still play a role.
VOA Reporter: Thank you for this interview.
* This report is the starting Boxun News & Interview basic by VOA (Modified on 2014/8/24)